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		<title>By: Shirley A. Evans</title>
		<link>http://carlsafina.org/2009/12/10/climate-denial-is-stupid-and-unpatriotic/#comment-34417</link>
		<dc:creator>Shirley A. Evans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2011 02:25:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, sacha, you make a good point – the key to clean energy is changing ourselves. One by one, we can collectively make a huge change in how we do things.

Shirley</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, sacha, you make a good point – the key to clean energy is changing ourselves. One by one, we can collectively make a huge change in how we do things.</p>
<p>Shirley</p>
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		<title>By: sacha davilak</title>
		<link>http://carlsafina.org/2009/12/10/climate-denial-is-stupid-and-unpatriotic/#comment-28849</link>
		<dc:creator>sacha davilak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jul 2011 07:56:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s no better way to make clean energy cheap than to make dirty energy expensive. Global Oil Socialism focuses on keeping oil cheap by taxing the global economy to foot the bill for guns and roses. Nations have no power to change this unfortunate reality. All you need do however, is change yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s no better way to make clean energy cheap than to make dirty energy expensive. Global Oil Socialism focuses on keeping oil cheap by taxing the global economy to foot the bill for guns and roses. Nations have no power to change this unfortunate reality. All you need do however, is change yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl Safina</title>
		<link>http://carlsafina.org/2009/12/10/climate-denial-is-stupid-and-unpatriotic/#comment-2362</link>
		<dc:creator>Carl Safina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Oct 2010 18:22:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many thanks for the kind words</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many thanks for the kind words</p>
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		<title>By: Affiliate</title>
		<link>http://carlsafina.org/2009/12/10/climate-denial-is-stupid-and-unpatriotic/#comment-2361</link>
		<dc:creator>Affiliate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Oct 2010 05:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Merely want to say your article is striking. The clearness in your post is simply spectacular and i can assume you are an expert on this field. Well with your permission allow me to grab your rss feed to keep up to date with succeeding post. Thanks a million and please keep up the sound work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Merely want to say your article is striking. The clearness in your post is simply spectacular and i can assume you are an expert on this field. Well with your permission allow me to grab your rss feed to keep up to date with succeeding post. Thanks a million and please keep up the sound work.</p>
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		<title>By: African classified ads</title>
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		<dc:creator>African classified ads</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 19:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article i really like it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article i really like it.</p>
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		<title>By: sport sunglasses</title>
		<link>http://carlsafina.org/2009/12/10/climate-denial-is-stupid-and-unpatriotic/#comment-2359</link>
		<dc:creator>sport sunglasses</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 05:23:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I Like this site your article is very nice , Thanks, very interesting article, keep up it coming :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I Like this site your article is very nice , Thanks, very interesting article, keep up it coming <img src='http://carlsafina.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: carlsafina</title>
		<link>http://carlsafina.org/2009/12/10/climate-denial-is-stupid-and-unpatriotic/#comment-2358</link>
		<dc:creator>carlsafina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 19:56:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, Klem, I don&#039;t agree. And cap and trade means little at the moment as an indication of what&#039;s needed. It’s one tiny sliver of all the considerations and it has legitimate critics.

As for the idea that clean energy is expensive, that’s not the point at all because all the pricing is fake. First of all, the price of oil and coal means little, because the costs are pushed onto society. The price is either fixed by OPEC to be low enough to keep us addicted, or lobbied low by coal because it’s cheap to get out of the ground and the pricing needn’t reflect the environmental destruction, health effects to workers and the public, and the price of cleanup and sea level rise, moving cities, fighting wars, etc etc.

Even if dirty energy wasn’t changing climate, there are lots of environmental and political reasons to get off it. Not least, it enriches our enemies.

Creating clean tech and the infrastructure (e.g. smart national grid and international transmission) would create incredible investment opportunities and JOBS. But not for EXXON. The companies and workers that would benefit aren’t there yet to lobby. So current destructive greed prevails.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, Klem, I don&#8217;t agree. And cap and trade means little at the moment as an indication of what&#8217;s needed. It’s one tiny sliver of all the considerations and it has legitimate critics.</p>
<p>As for the idea that clean energy is expensive, that’s not the point at all because all the pricing is fake. First of all, the price of oil and coal means little, because the costs are pushed onto society. The price is either fixed by OPEC to be low enough to keep us addicted, or lobbied low by coal because it’s cheap to get out of the ground and the pricing needn’t reflect the environmental destruction, health effects to workers and the public, and the price of cleanup and sea level rise, moving cities, fighting wars, etc etc.</p>
<p>Even if dirty energy wasn’t changing climate, there are lots of environmental and political reasons to get off it. Not least, it enriches our enemies.</p>
<p>Creating clean tech and the infrastructure (e.g. smart national grid and international transmission) would create incredible investment opportunities and JOBS. But not for EXXON. The companies and workers that would benefit aren’t there yet to lobby. So current destructive greed prevails.</p>
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		<title>By: David Conover</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Conover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 12:18:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carl- well written.  I&#039;m in Copenhagen this week, interviewing.  Words to me have included:  &quot;Are we expendable?&quot; Ronnie Jumeau, Seychelles Ambassador.  Something&#039;s wrong here.

Or another...  &quot;The ocean has a long memory.  What&#039;s happening now in the air will be happening for a thousand years in the sea.&quot;  Something else very wrong.

Or from Jackie McGlade of the European Environmental Agency... &quot;it won&#039;t be that bad -quite wonderful- actually- to design and build floating cities.&quot;   At first, I&#039;m slightly excited by going to sea.  Then her follow up &quot;... and we could place them just offshore of where we once lived.&quot;

Not the world I want to give my kids.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carl- well written.  I&#8217;m in Copenhagen this week, interviewing.  Words to me have included:  &#8220;Are we expendable?&#8221; Ronnie Jumeau, Seychelles Ambassador.  Something&#8217;s wrong here.</p>
<p>Or another&#8230;  &#8220;The ocean has a long memory.  What&#8217;s happening now in the air will be happening for a thousand years in the sea.&#8221;  Something else very wrong.</p>
<p>Or from Jackie McGlade of the European Environmental Agency&#8230; &#8220;it won&#8217;t be that bad -quite wonderful- actually- to design and build floating cities.&#8221;   At first, I&#8217;m slightly excited by going to sea.  Then her follow up &#8220;&#8230; and we could place them just offshore of where we once lived.&#8221;</p>
<p>Not the world I want to give my kids.</p>
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		<title>By: Betsy Walker Hasegawa, Japan</title>
		<link>http://carlsafina.org/2009/12/10/climate-denial-is-stupid-and-unpatriotic/#comment-2356</link>
		<dc:creator>Betsy Walker Hasegawa, Japan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 00:24:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Double thanks.  To you, Carl Safina, alerting us (including non-professionals like me) to what&#039;s  real, by your writings, etc.--books Song for the Blue Ocean, Eye of the Albatross, Voyage of the Turtle, and, we learn, another book forthcoming.  And to you, Richard Ellis (your response above to Carl Dec. 11). I only  learned of you from Carl, starting with your awesome fantastic  paintings of  leaping maco shark, found in your Book of Sharks, spellbinding paintings/text, informative, heartfelt, akin to your native Safina. Much appreciating also your Book of Whales; Dolphins and Porpoises; Big Fish; and now, referred to by Carl here in his blog, new Ellis book &quot;highlighting the plight of that white bear of the polar ice.&quot;
     &quot;There Were Giants in Those Days,&quot; it was once said of some sorts on this earth.  Now you greatly caring about giants of the seas, every creature in fact, do either of you suppose, I wonder, will &quot;ice bears&quot; have a chance over time to evolve to full aquatic life--now appear to be mighty good long-distance underwater swimmers.  No time to become marine mammal?  (like it or not?) And which animals are in the process of going the other way, heading for land? ...while some humans are evolving aquatic (time underwater with marine life!) --  To you:
Best wishes overland^^^undersea~~~~</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Double thanks.  To you, Carl Safina, alerting us (including non-professionals like me) to what&#8217;s  real, by your writings, etc.&#8211;books Song for the Blue Ocean, Eye of the Albatross, Voyage of the Turtle, and, we learn, another book forthcoming.  And to you, Richard Ellis (your response above to Carl Dec. 11). I only  learned of you from Carl, starting with your awesome fantastic  paintings of  leaping maco shark, found in your Book of Sharks, spellbinding paintings/text, informative, heartfelt, akin to your native Safina. Much appreciating also your Book of Whales; Dolphins and Porpoises; Big Fish; and now, referred to by Carl here in his blog, new Ellis book &#8220;highlighting the plight of that white bear of the polar ice.&#8221;<br />
     &#8220;There Were Giants in Those Days,&#8221; it was once said of some sorts on this earth.  Now you greatly caring about giants of the seas, every creature in fact, do either of you suppose, I wonder, will &#8220;ice bears&#8221; have a chance over time to evolve to full aquatic life&#8211;now appear to be mighty good long-distance underwater swimmers.  No time to become marine mammal?  (like it or not?) And which animals are in the process of going the other way, heading for land? &#8230;while some humans are evolving aquatic (time underwater with marine life!) &#8212;  To you:<br />
Best wishes overland^^^undersea~~~~</p>
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		<title>By: carlsafina</title>
		<link>http://carlsafina.org/2009/12/10/climate-denial-is-stupid-and-unpatriotic/#comment-2355</link>
		<dc:creator>carlsafina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 18:59:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Richard. And thank you for your new book highlighting the plight of that white bear of the polar ice. No ice, no polar bears. But also no ringed, bearded, or ribbon seals, no narwhals and bowhead whales, no ivory gulls--the list of creatures up against a future with poor odds is growing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Richard. And thank you for your new book highlighting the plight of that white bear of the polar ice. No ice, no polar bears. But also no ringed, bearded, or ribbon seals, no narwhals and bowhead whales, no ivory gulls&#8211;the list of creatures up against a future with poor odds is growing.</p>
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